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RE: Hensley Arrow or ProPride 3P?
Thanks, Clarkely, great pictures. Your measurement from hitch ball to OEM receiver face confirms something I suspected. Another 3P owner I talked to who measured same thing, came up with 19.75" to the drawbar pin hole. I specifically asked/verified that he measured to the pinhole, not the OEM receiver face, and he said it was to the drawbar pinhole. However, it appears he did indeed get the measurement to the OEM receiver face, not to the pinhole. That, or like Ron said, somehow some drawbars are different lengths. Either way, it still proves the point I was making about this being an improvement, in that the ProPride projects the pivot point slightly further ahead than a Hensley.
Also, I think I wasn't clear enough, in describing the measurements we wanted for the lengths of the two side bark links. I meant, the length center to center, of the actual link pieces (the pieces you measured to be 3/4" thick). Did not mean the distance apart they are in the front and back (which is what it sounds like you measured).
Anyway, thanks again, for measuring and posting the pictures, clarkely. Eventually, we'll get this all cleared up. :)
Will
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willald
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09/06/08 07:55pm |
Towing
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RE: Hensley Arrow or ProPride 3P?
In December 2007, the following question was posted on another forum:
"Sean, how much overall length will the Pro Pride hitch add to my trailer in storage?"
The answer from Sean Woodruff was:
"I must have missed this question... It will add about 12" +/- a fraction of an inch."
And, on page 11 of the online Hensley Arrow manual is the statement:
"Complete normal hook-up of safety chains, electric plug, and breakaway switch cable. In some cases these will have to be lengthened due to the Hensley Arrow’s extra length which increases the distance between the trailer and the tow vehicle approximately 12 inches."
I think in Sean's response, he was saying that compared to a conventional hitch, it (ProPride) would increase the distance by around 12".
Now, I see your point, that this is about the same distance that the Hensley manual indicates. I'm betting that when the question was posed to Sean last December, he just went with the old 12" figure from the Hensley, knowing that it would definly be no longer than that, and in reality a few inches shorter. At that point (December 07), I'm not sure Sean was 100% complete with the desing of the 3P hitch.
So, the question remains --- is the 3P really four inches shorter than the HA? And, if so, what got shortened?
The drawbar as well as the head itself was shortened, as I understand it. As to whether that means the side links have shortened: Hopefully we'll have an answer to that question shortly.
And, getting back to the topic of this thread, does a difference in hitch length make any perceivable improvement in sway control?
Well Ron, I don't think you can deny that projecting the pivot point 4" even closer to the rear axle, *IS* an improvement (assuming lengh of side linkages didn't change).
Now, whether the shorter length amouts to a 'perceivable' improvement or not...Well, thats a very subjective, difficult question to answer, that would depend on a zillion different things. Hitch a 20' TT to an F350 using a ProPride, and NO, you will not perceive the difference. Hitch a 34' Airstream to an Intrepid with a 3P, and you just might notice the difference. And so on and so on...
Will
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willald
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09/06/08 07:26am |
Towing
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RE: Hensley Arrow or ProPride 3P?
Scaling of longitudinal dimensions from the Lockhart photos indicates the following:
Ron
You can never Scale that accurately from a photo...........Most Architects and engineers i work with won't even except a fax or email....because it can become disproportionate/out of scale in transmission. This does not happen on any direct raiot to be able to account for.......it is a 2 x 2
That being said........I have a propride and can measure and give you photos of any dimensions you like......Just message me and what you want....
I know you have a lot of good posts on here and ican give you whatever 3 p info you like
Thanks, clarkely, for saying what I was about to.
When you have a minute or two, clarkely, if you can measure the following on your 3P, I think it will help a lot:
1. Re-verify the measurement I mentioned earlier - insert your drawbar into the head of the 3P, and measure from the drawbar pinhole (center), to the center of the TT ball hitch. You should come up with 19 3/4", thats what one other 3P owner got.
2. Measure the length of the two side linkage pieces, center to center. The side links that link the top part of the head, to the bottom half. I don't know if the length of them is different from the Hensley, and am curious to find out.
3. Also, Verify that the drawbar piece itself is 2x2. I think we all know thats what it is, but lets verify it for the one here thats trying to use a photograph to suggest it has shrunk to 1.8" :R
Thanks in advance, Clarkely, for your help in clearing this up for us.
Will
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willald
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09/05/08 07:53pm |
Towing
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RE: Honda US Sales surpass Dodge/Chrysler
Comparing apples to apples trim level as far as Minivans:
Chrysler best price $32,500
Toyota best price $33,400
Honda best price $27,600, and the Honda came with the variable displacement engine giving it by far the best fuel mileage.
Only difference in options was the dual DVD screen in the Chrysler, hardly worth $5,000., and it was loose in it's attachment to the interior roof.
Our dealer, Honda of Bowie was actually sold out of the hybrids, Fits, and the gas Civic. They had sold three Ridgelines and six Odysseys the day we selected ours.
OK, now I think I see whats up. You were only comparing the Chrysler Town & Country model, not the Dodge Grand Caravan, it appears. The Chrysler T&C is basically a Grand Caravan, with a bunch of bling-bling, bells & whistles, etc. added on, and price jacked up considerably. If you can live with a little less bling-bling, Grand Caravans can be had for much less than anything you're talking about here. That, and its hardly a fair comparison when the Chrysler had a $5000 option in it that the others did not, LOL. :)
When we got our van (2 years ago), brand new Grand Caravans were going for around $25-6k. Also, they had a bunch of program minivans, that were basically new with a few (10-15k) miles on them. We got one of those for $16k. We really liked the Odyssey better actually, but when I could get an essentially new Grand Caravan for over $10,000 less than what any of the others would have been.....was kind of a no-brainer decision.
Will
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willald
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09/05/08 12:33pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Honda US Sales surpass Dodge/Chrysler
When shopping for our recent minivan purchase, we looked at four different brands. By a wide margin, the Honda was the winner. Features, comfort, power, ride, quality, fuel economy, and to top it off, price. Our Odyssey was built in Alabama, engine and transmission also built in the US, something that many vehicles with traditional American brand labels cannot say. It was thousand(S) less than it's competitors. Just stop by a Honda dealer and compare activity to other brands, to see which is selling vehicles.
..Hmmm...Honda Odyssey had best price? Now, that is exactly opposite of what we found when we got our minivan. Honda Odyssey was, and I'm pretty sure still is one of the most expensive in that class. No question its one of if not the best in terms of quality, but best price? I don't think so.
What other brands/models did you compare it to, that made you conclude that Honda had the best price? Odyssey was/is definitely a very nice van, no doubt. But its also one of the most expensive ones, especially compared to the Dodge minivans.
Anyway, back to the topic: No surprises at all, that Honda sales passed Chrysler. They (Honda) make some great vehicles.
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willald
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09/05/08 11:11am |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: tt versus 5er
As already said, each has their pros and cons.
Towing stability however, is not one of them either way like it used to be. Now that we have high end hitches (Pullrite, Hensley, ProPride), that make TTs tow every bit as good, in some ways better than a 5er.
Sooo, the decision really comes down to all the other pros/cons of the two types (pickup bed use, amenities, stairs, basement storage, trailer height, etc).
..Anyone in this forum, or in the 5er forum that tries to say that a 5er tows better than a TT, simply put, has not towed a TT with one of the high end hitches mentioned above. If they had, they would not make that statement, its that simple. Cost of these high end TT hitches really doesn't enter into it that much, either, when you take into account that a 5er hitch can cost almost as much as a high end TT hitch, and the 5er itself typically is more expensive than a comparable TT, anyway.
Ask yourself these questions, I think will help you determine which would probably work best for you:
1. Do you prefer/need to store your things in a pickup bed, or 5er basement storage?
2. Do you prefer single level TT, or are you OK with having stairs, in return for a few more amenities?
3. Do you prefer towing with a pickup, or would you want to use a van, SUV, etc?
4. Where do you normally camp? Would it be places where height clearance could be a problem with a 5er?
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willald
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09/05/08 07:54am |
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RE: Hensley Arrow or ProPride 3P?
If I recall, I looked at the Pull-Rite when I bought the HA in '02, and I was going to have to relocate the spare tire somewhere and also do some "minor" exhaust work. That was enough to kill it for me. That was an '01 burb, and the '06 is the same, so same issues unless they redesigned the PullRite.
Actually, knowing what I know now, I probably would go with the Pullrite over all of them, if I could only find someone who would install one in place of the OEM receiver on our Excursion (spare tire is not an issue). Almost all shops don't want to touch the receiver on our Excursion, for liability reasons we've talked about before (towing receiver is part of safety package for Excursion, and very tough to remove).
I can see your point Will, and having lost some shear bolts can see why you would think the 3P is a better design. I guess my perspective is different because I've never had an issue with the shear bolts. Crappie will never have an issue either since he thru-bolted the frame brackets....
Well, I've never had an issue with the shear bolts, either, 'cause like Joe (crappie_fisherman), my frame brackets are bolted on with heavy duty bolts. I saw from day one with the Hensley, that this was only way to go.
Be that as it may, I like the ProPride design better, that does away with those struts, U bolts, etc. Just seems like a cleaner, better way to lock the hitch head in place.
KSD makes a good point about ProPride, whether Sean will be able to hang on long enough to make a debt in Hensley market share. Of course, there's no guarantee that Hensley will last either. I suspect that if either went under, the right/design would be sold and stay in production by somebody else.
Yep. I really hope that whatever happens, we keep at least two differnet companies making this type hitch. Without that competition, you know what happens.
Will
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willald
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09/04/08 12:48pm |
Towing
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RE: Hensley Arrow or ProPride 3P?
..To clarify a few points discussed earlier, where Ron and I determined a bit more information is needed:
Hensley Arrow Pivot Point Location versus ProPride Pivot Point Location
Pivot point actually moved even further forward, due to stinger being slightly shorter than Hensley
The lengths of the HA hitch bar and the 3P hitch bar need to be confirmed. Based just on the photos, it appears the 3P bar might be longer.
It’s not just the length of the hitch bar which is of concern. The length of interest is the distance from the face of the hitch receiver to the ball coupler when the TV and TT are connected. The “projection” distance is measured from the ball.
I got some measurements, that answers/confirms this.
Hensley distance from ball hitch, to drawbar pinhole: 24" (measured by *me*, on my Hensley yesterday)
Propride distance from ball hitch, to drawbar pinhole: 19 3/4" (measured on Propride owner's hitch)
Sooo, the ProPride is indeed projecting the pivot point over 4" further forward than the Hensley. Which means stability is indeed slightly improved with the 3P design.
Hensley Arrow Fixed Hitch Bar versus ProPride 3P Adjustable Hitch Bar
Adjustable height/angle on the hitch bar
The HA hitch bar is shown as Item 5 on page 11 of the HA Manual. The HA bar is available as a straight bar or in “drops” or “raises” in 2” increments.
A very good photo of the 3P’s adjustable bar is shown in the second photo on this web page. The 3P bar is vertically adjustable in increments which appear to be about 1.5” (this needs to be confirmed). The 3P bar also can be adjusted for “tilt”.
The 3P adjustable bar is multi-piece with bolted construction and numerous welds. The HA bar is a single piece with no welds for the straight bar, and relatively few welds for the drop/raise bars.....The 3P hitch bar appears to weigh more than the HA bar (this needs to be confirmed).
Concerning the weight of the units:
The ProPride drawbar weighs almost exact same amount as a Hensley 8" dropbar. This only makes sense, since the ProPride drawbar allows up to 8" of adjustment.
Soo, technically speaking, in many cases the ProPride drawbar would be slightly heavier than a Hensley drawbar, as long as we're not talking about an 8" drop bar. HOWEVER, read on...
Hensley Arrow Construction versus ProPride 3P Construction
Link pieces, bearings, etc. are built even more solid (thicker, heavier) than ones used on Hensley
I understand that the 3P's link pieces are thicker. But, I'm not sure about the "bearings, etc." being heavier than the HA counterparts.
Since the 3P's hitch bar appears to be heavier and the 3P's yoke assembly appears to be heavier than the HA's struts and the 3P's link pieces, bearings, etc. are claimed to be heavier, I'm wondering how the 3P can be lighter overall.
It would be interesting to see a comparison of 3P and HA weights.
..Following comes from a very reputable/knowledgeable person, that has worked with both the Hensley for years as well as the ProPride:
The Hensley upper unit/head weighs about 20 lbs more than the ProPride unit. This is due to all the steel in that orange part the Hensley has, which the ProPride does not have. As a result of this (larger, heavier orange head on the Hensley), the Hensley actually weighs slightly more overall than the ProPride. Dont have precise total weight numbers for both, but bottom line is, the large, steel orange head used by Hensley, ends up making it heavier overall, even though some individual components of the ProPride are slightly heavier.
The weight difference is probably not significant, I know. But, this does answer the question concerning weight of the drawbar and total hitch weight that was brought up earlier.
To the OP, KSD:, I apologize for how wordy this post (and whole thread..LOL) has become between Ron and I. Still, I wanted to clear up all the specifics on these two issues (pivot point further forward, and overall weight), so that next time someone asks about the differences between these hitches, hopefully another 5 page debate will not be necessary. :B
Will
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willald
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09/04/08 11:57am |
Towing
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RE: Hensley Arrow or ProPride 3P?
If I had to choose today, I'd probably go with the 3P, but I don't have a lot of confidence at this point that it is markedly better than the HA, and I am a little concerned about long term support. Hensley Manufacturing has been around a long time, and I'm sure will be there to continue to support its products. ProPride, however, is a new and still very small company, and for all I know could go belly up tomorrow.
Very true, ProPride is very new, and there is some risk there.
Then again, that argument could be turned around to say, is Hensley REALLY going to be around much longer to support their customers? Here they have competition making a hitch every bit as good, in some ways probably better, and they (ProPride) have the ability to sell that hitch for considerably less and still make a profit.....Such could well spell the end of Hensley. I sure hope not, I'd like to think Hensley will find a way to remain competitive (dont want this market to go back to being a monopoly!), but it is something to think about.
Yes, I know right now Hensley has matched ProPride's price. Question is, just how long they can afford to keep selling them at that price..
Will
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willald
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09/04/08 07:58am |
Towing
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RE: Hensley Arrow or ProPride 3P?
I see how they designed that yoke....looks fine, but on first pass don't see the advantage of that design over the HA's struts. Certainly another way to solve the problem, and I'm sure just as effective, but what advantages does the yoke have vs. the struts? What issues did the strut design pose that the yoke design solves?.........I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it...I would probably buy one based on the paint job alone....but what makes the 3P a better design vs. just a different design?
As I understand Sean's reasoning for going with this design, he wanted to get away from a design where just shear bolts and U bolts would be what held the upper unit rigid with the A frame. Yes, even with the new design U bolts are used to hold the frame bracket in place, but the force the hitch would apply on it is *perpendicular* to the A frame hitch, not parallel. Sooo, the U bolts and shear bolts are not directly responsible for holding the hitch rigid. The 'yoke' piece does that.
Also, something else I saw Sean explain once in a thread: Look at the Yoke closely in that picture, close to the ball hitch, where it (yoke) goes alongside the A frame. Even if the link between yoke and frame bracket underneath let go, the yoke would *still* hold the upper hitch in place somewhat, just by the way it is up against the sides of the A frame. Hitch could only move on the ball a small amount, before yoke would hit up against A frame and prevent further movement. That was another advantage supposedly, of this design.
Now, I'll wait for Ron to post a 20 page analysis explaining how this is NOT a better design, hahaha. :)
As to whether or not it is indeed a better design: IMO, it is, just 'cause I never liked the idea of just a U bolt and shear bolt holding those struts solid (which is the reason I and several other Hensley owners used real bolts, and bolted frame bracket in place). The 'yoke' approach seems like a cleaner way to lock the hitch in place, but like anything else, time will tell if it is indeed better.
Will
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willald
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09/04/08 07:54am |
Towing
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RE: Hensley Arrow or ProPride 3P?
our orange paint hasn't chipped at all. Bought it in 2006 - DH maintains it according to the manual and haven't had any problems to date.
Oh, our orange part, hasn't chipped at all, either. Sure has faded, though.
And, nearly everything black on ours, has had rust forming on it. I'm betting yours has, too. Requires regular treatments of rustoleum paint (or you can do like crappie_fisherman and others have done, and re-paint it yourself). Not a major problem, but....Sure would be nice if a $3000 hitch came with a little better paint, would you not agree?
Will
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willald
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09/03/08 02:32pm |
Towing
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RE: Bike Rack on Trailer Bumper - welding modification
TerryT,
Interesting discussion, this subject comes up frequently here.
I'm curious, though, about your statement that since you tow with an SUV, you cannot put the bikes in the tow vehicle with you? One other poster made that statement, too, and I have to say, I disagree completely.
We have always carried our bikes in the back of our Excursion. For the reasons mentioned here, I would have no part of mounting them to back of trailer. AAMOF, I didn't like them being 'outside' anywhere, due to the risk of theft, and all the road dirt, rain, etc. getting on them. Only solution I would be OK with, is to either put them in the trailer, or in the back of the SUV. Well, the latter works great for us. Bikes stay locked up in the truck, protected from theft, elements, etc. And, I don't have to worry about them falling off the back of the trailer or anything like that.
If you have bikes with quik-release and can remove front wheel easily, you can put them in sideways. Thats what we do, and I regularly fit 2 adult bikes, and 2 kids bikes in back of our Excursion. And, thats WITH all 3 rows of seats deployed. If we fold down the 3rd row seat, I could easily carry twice that many bikes back there.
Now I know, Terry, that your 4 runner is a bit smaller than our Excursion. However, I still think you should have no problem carrying 2 adult bikes back there, especially if the front wheels can be removed easily (quik-release hub). I understand and appreciate your concern about payload, but really, bikes are not that heavy at all. Cumbersome and hard to find space for sometimes, yes, but heavy, no.
Dont know if its too late or not, Terry, but one day you should try fitting your bikes in the back of your 4 runner. You may well find this is a better solution than you thought. I can provide you with some pics, hints, etc. on how we did it, if that would help.
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willald
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09/03/08 09:06am |
Travel Trailers
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RE: Hensley Arrow or ProPride 3P?
I don't have any first hand knowledge of the ProPride, but from what I;ve read and corresponded with the owner Sean Woodruff, they have improved upon the HA design. The mounting of the strut linkage, the adjustable draw bar (stinger), and the purportedly better paint job are the top points.
Bottom line, do your homework, pick the one you like, either one will do a fine job for you.
Exactly right.
Will
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willald
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09/03/08 06:56am |
Towing
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RE: Hensley Arrow or ProPride 3P?
Don't believe ProPride's adapter is available yet, no. But, it will be soon from what I understand.
Yes, I'm aware of the custom made adapters. However, I think an adapter made specfically for this purpose by the manfuacturer and with their full support, is a MUCH better solution than a custom-made contraption that you have to put a screwdriver blade through to make it work. Wouldn't you agree, Ron?
If and when an adapter becomes available for the 3P, it might be of interest to a relatively few owners. It appears that only a relatively few HA owners have found a need for one.
Or is it more like, only a relative few have found a bad enough need for one, that they have constructed a contraption to address this? You're once again making the assumption, Ron, that the few you read about on here, represent ALL Hensley owners out there. I can assure you, as one thats actually owned a Hensley such a device would be something MOST Hensley owners would want, given the price isn't too expensive like you said. Not all Hensley owners have the resources or know-how to make the custom contraptions mentioned earlier.
Will
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willald
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09/02/08 09:12pm |
Towing
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RE: Hensley Arrow or ProPride 3P?
One person who has seven years and 50,000 miles of towing with a HA reports he is still using the original Zerks and retainer pins. Another user reported that his first HA, purchased in 1998, and his second HA, purchased in 2002, both have the original Zerk fittings. Apparently some pins do get sheared off and some do not.
But, getting back to "differences" and "improvements" -- I agree it would be good if a 3P owner could describe how the 3P's WD bars are held in place when they are not loaded.
Ron
As I was told by Hensley tech support (Jarrod I believe his name is), one thing that makes a big difference is the type of WD bars used. The stiffer 1400 lb bars are notorious for wearing out those retainer pins quicker. Thats what I have.
Soooo, YES, even Hensley has acknowledged this is an issue with their hitch.
And, YES, it will be good to see specifically how ProPride addressed this issue.
Will
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willald
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09/02/08 09:05pm |
Towing
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RE: Hensley Arrow or ProPride 3P?
Hensley Arrow Construction versus ProPride 3P Construction
Link pieces, bearings, etc. are built even more solid (thicker, heavier) than ones used on Hensley
I understand that the 3P's link pieces are thicker. But, I'm not sure about the "bearings, etc." being heavier than the HA counterparts.
Since the 3P's hitch bar appears to be heavier and the 3P's yolk assembly appears to be heavier than the HA's struts and the 3P's link pieces, bearings, etc. are claimed to be heavier, I'm wondering how the 3P can be lighter overall.
It would be interesting to see a comparison of 3P and HA weights.
Hmmm, good point. Indeed, it would be interesting to compare such. I'll see if I can dig up some specific numbers on that.
In looking at the two units, I think you can see where the ProPride makes up for a lot of the weight difference, just in that the upper part of the hitch is nowhere near as big on the 3P.
Perhaps one of the many new 3P owners out there can chime in, with any weight numbers they may know from having the hitch shipped to them?
Will
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willald
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09/02/08 06:36pm |
Towing
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RE: Hensley Arrow or ProPride 3P?
Availability of Hitch Bar with Ball Coupler
Availability of adapter piece I mentioned above, that will allow shops to move your trailer if need be
I know an adapter piece for the 3P has been discussed – but is it really available?
Some HA owners already are using custom-made adapters. An example can be seen here.
Don't believe ProPride's adapter is available yet, no. But, it will be soon from what I understand.
Yes, I'm aware of the custom made adapters. However, I think an adapter made specfically for this purpose by the manfuacturer and with their full support, is a MUCH better solution than a custom-made contraption that you have to put a screwdriver blade through to make it work. Wouldn't you agree, Ron?
Will
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willald
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09/02/08 06:32pm |
Towing
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RE: Hensley Arrow or ProPride 3P?
The HA system is described on Page 18 of the online HA manual.
The vertical end of the WD bar has a “spring bar groove” into which a “spring bar retainer pin” fits. Some bars can shear off the retainer pin if they are swung too far to the side. Other WD bars with a different shape at the ends of the groove do not seem to cause this problem. The HA manual gives instructions on how to avoid damage to the retainer pins.
See, Ron, this is the kind of (false) statements that can result, when one draws conclusions strictly from 'arm chair quarterbacking' and theory, instead of actual real world experience with something.
Those that have actually owned a Hensle, know that those retainer pins can and will eventually shear off from wear, no matter how well you follow instructions or not. Doesn't matter how far the bars are swung or not swung. Don't believe it? I can send you one or two sheared off pins sitting on my workbench right now, that I've collected over the years of REAL WORLD experience with a Hensley. ;)
Like I said, those pins shearing off and causing the WD bars to fall out (when unhitched), are indeed one of the bad things that happens every so often with a Hensley. Supposedly, this is something that was corrected with the Propride hitch. I agree, that it would be very helpful to see the ProPride's design, that addresses this issue. Perhaps someone that owns a 3P could chime in and address this?
Will
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willald
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09/02/08 06:27pm |
Towing
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RE: Hensley Arrow or ProPride 3P?
Mr. Hensley did not claim that the yolk offered any stability improvement over the strut assembly described in his previous patents. Rather, the yolk was introduced as a means to allow for trailer tongue “shortening” when used with a surge brake.
Right, I don't think anyone ever claimed the yolk design improved stability directly. Not sure I quite follow the tongue 'shortening' you mention here, but I do know that Sean specifically went into why he did away with the struts and designed the yolk system. Mostly, it was to do away with the risk of frame brackets slipping with those U bolts/shear bolts that are used with the Hensley.
The 3P adjustable bar is multi-piece with bolted construction and numerous welds. The HA bar is a single piece with no welds for the straight bar, and relatively few welds for the drop/raise bars.
Indeed. Same could be said in comparing the hitch shank used on conventional WD hitches, with the HA bar.
In either case, though, I would think as long as the welding is done right, there would never be a problem.
An adjustable hitch bar with bolted construction has not previously been used with a 4-bar linkage hitch.
Right, but such has been used on conventional hitches, for a very, very, long time.
The 3P hitch bar appears to weigh more than the HA bar (this needs to be confirmed).
Possibly, but the 3P altogether still weighs somewhat less than the HA hitch IIRC. Sooo, even if what you say is true about the ProPride bar weighing more, the weight advantage still goes with the 3P, overall.
The lengths of the HA hitch bar and the 3P hitch bar need to be confirmed. Based just on the photos, it appears the 3P bar might be longer.
It’s not just the length of the hitch bar which is of concern. The length of interest is the distance from the face of the hitch receiver to the ball coupler when the TV and TT are connected. The “projection” distance is measured from the ball.
..Interesting point. Perhaps we need to do like we did back in the old HA technical thread I started some time ago, and take some specific measurements of the 3P, to answer this question..
If the distance is longer like you suggest, that would be completely inconsistent with what I was told about how they intended to design the 3P. That being the case, I have a hard time buying that the distance is longer, without seeing some specific measurements.
Will
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willald
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09/02/08 02:22pm |
Towing
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RE: 1978 Trotwood: Pictures added! Come see.
Know anyone who's owned a Trotwood?
..We grew up camping in a 22' Trotwood ('72 model I believe), that was not much bigger than what you have there. Inside pictures of your looks very similiar to what ours looked like, too. Brings back many memories, we travelled all over the country in that thing when I was a kid.
Some things I remember about it: They were fairly heavy, being all wooden frame construction. Also remember Dad having to tear out most of the back wall, to repair some water damage that rotted out some of the frame. But, it served us well for a good 20 years or so, until we all grew up and moved out.
Anyway, good luck with yours, it looks pretty good for its age. :)
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willald
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08/29/08 07:31pm |
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